Ashley, 23, U.S.
fiercely pro choice
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righttochoose:

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apersnicketylemon:

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misssabrinalin:

"A person’s a person, no matter how small." - Dr. Seuss

That quote was about American occupation of Japan post WWII, not fetuses.
Dr. Seuss was extremely pro choice and regularly donated to Planned Parenthood and sued people using this exact quote for pro life propaganda. His widow continues donating and suing pro lifers that use his words like this.

…Okay? However, does that make the statement incorrect? I have no problem removing his name from the post, but his words still ring true in this context.

They really don’t though? You cannot take the words of an extremely pro choice person about a completely different subject on your propaganda that goes directly against his beliefs and have nothing to do with the quote itself.
It’s not only disrespectful, it’s just plain silly. Nevermind that fetuses aren’t actually classified as persons, so the quote is meaningless anyways.

"A person’s a person, no matter how small." Taking that quote, all by itself with no context, still has the desired effect for this cartoon. Dr. Seuss doesn’t own the idea behind the words, they can be interpreted to each individual’s discretion provided that those words stand aline, with no context. I went to the original post and removed his name. I didn’t make it, I just agree with it. Because yes, fetuses are people, and saying anything different is like saying that, in comparison to an adult, children and toddlers aren’t people either. Just like being a baby, child, teen or adult, being a fetus or an embryo is a stage of human life. They are human. They are alive. They matter.

Still wrong
Fetuses: Not sentient, not aware, unfeeling, incapable of learning, not conscious.
Persons: Sentient, aware of ones existence, consciousness.
Infants+: Sentient, aware of their existence/the world around them, conscious.
Coma patients fyi have measurable consciousness and awareness of the world around them even while comatose, a fetus does not.
Therefore fetuses =/= persons and yes, it makes perfect logistical sense to say that a fetus i not a person where an infant, toddler, teenager or adult is.
And no, you can’t just remove his name to avoid a copyright infringement. His estate actively owns that quote, it is copyrighted you are still in violation of it (and also plagerism now since you deleted just his name). In order to not be you must remove the entire quote.

A person is a person no matter how small BUT A FETUS IS A FETUS AND NOT A PERSON AT ALL

Really? What is it, an alien? How can it be anything but human if it comes from two humans? And I find it interesting that you say that, considering you were a fetus once in the exact same way that you were a baby, child, or teen. So was I. It’s a stage of life. If fetuses aren’t people, than what are we, exactly? How can humans like us just become humans from something that is, as you say, not a person?

human yes, person no. Personhood is a status we grant a human once they are no longer inhabitting another’s body, and what happens to them can actually be their business and not directly effect the human they are using to survive.
and no matter how human, and whether granted personhood or not, no human has the right to use another human’s body in any way without consent.
ps: do not use dr. Seuss to further your cause it is highly disrespectful when we all know he was pro choice.

Yeah, I’m not discussing the Dr Seuss thing yet again. He’s removed from the original post, but his words still stand because they still fit with this context.I don’t care what your personal definition of “person” is, because most of the world recognizes all human beings as “people.” You’re saying right now that not all human beings are really people. Gee, I wonder where I’ve heard that before….
Using a person’s body without consent? Dude, it’s not like the child asked for it!! All the fetus is doing is trying to grow and live. Honestly, if a person doesn’t want a child, they shouldn’t have sex. It’s like planting a seed and getting mad when a tree grows. Period.

umm.. Removing credit from someone’s quote doesnt make it okay to still use their words.. Maybe you haven’t learned this in school yet but that is in fact called PLAGIARISM, and is ILLEGAL. It is still the author’s words, and a misuse of the author’s intent, and hugely disrespectful when you are aware of that said intent.
the definition of person is not a personal opinion. It is the lawful truth of what a person is.
per·son
noun
1. a human being regarded as an individual.
- a fetus literally inhabits a second, pre-existing human’s body, and cannot be deemed individual until it has bodily autonomy of its own.
2. Sociology.  an individual human being, especially with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
3. Philosophy. a self-conscious or rational being.
- a fetus, being undeveloped and lacking the autonomy of a born person, has none of these things: incapable of self consciousness or rational thought, has no social relationships or standing, has no behavioural patterns that can be influenced by its culture.
i feel many of your other thoughts will change with the understanding of relationships which time will inevitably bring to you.
human beings are not like most animals: unlike most animals, we are capable of feeling pleasure during intercourse. For this, and other reasons, we have evolved into using sex for more things then just procreaction. Sex is used for pleasure, for stress relief, to build intimacy. For many, sex is an essential part of their romantic or personal relationships. Being denied sexual release is often a cause of stress, even depression in many people - i am not talking socially, but on a biological level.
i like your planting a seed analogy, because it really is more like accidentally spilling your bag of seeds in the wrong area, cursing, trying to clean them up, and discovering later that you didnt get them all. But in an organized garden there are plants that will strangle and kill your other plants, so you can’t keep them side by side. Regardless of whether they are trying to grow or not, regardless of whether you do LIKE that kind of plant, they still need to be removed from there.
the fetus may not have asked to be there, but neither did we ask for it to arrive. Accidents happen and birth control fails, that should not mean our entire lives should be torn into pieces because of it. The fetus is not “trying” to do anything, it has no capability to try. It merely is growing in there, because that is what it does. And we can remove it and will not have any opinion on the matter.

righttochoose:

misssabrinalin:

righttochoose:

misssabrinalin:

stfumras:

apersnicketylemon:

misssabrinalin:

apersnicketylemon:

misssabrinalin:

apersnicketylemon:

misssabrinalin:

"A person’s a person, no matter how small." - Dr. Seuss

That quote was about American occupation of Japan post WWII, not fetuses.

Dr. Seuss was extremely pro choice and regularly donated to Planned Parenthood and sued people using this exact quote for pro life propaganda. His widow continues donating and suing pro lifers that use his words like this.

…Okay? However, does that make the statement incorrect? I have no problem removing his name from the post, but his words still ring true in this context.

They really don’t though? You cannot take the words of an extremely pro choice person about a completely different subject on your propaganda that goes directly against his beliefs and have nothing to do with the quote itself.

It’s not only disrespectful, it’s just plain silly. Nevermind that fetuses aren’t actually classified as persons, so the quote is meaningless anyways.

"A person’s a person, no matter how small." Taking that quote, all by itself with no context, still has the desired effect for this cartoon. Dr. Seuss doesn’t own the idea behind the words, they can be interpreted to each individual’s discretion provided that those words stand aline, with no context. I went to the original post and removed his name. I didn’t make it, I just agree with it. Because yes, fetuses are people, and saying anything different is like saying that, in comparison to an adult, children and toddlers aren’t people either. Just like being a baby, child, teen or adult, being a fetus or an embryo is a stage of human life. They are human. They are alive. They matter.

Still wrong

Fetuses: Not sentient, not aware, unfeeling, incapable of learning, not conscious.

Persons: Sentient, aware of ones existence, consciousness.

Infants+: Sentient, aware of their existence/the world around them, conscious.

Coma patients fyi have measurable consciousness and awareness of the world around them even while comatose, a fetus does not.

Therefore fetuses =/= persons and yes, it makes perfect logistical sense to say that a fetus i not a person where an infant, toddler, teenager or adult is.

And no, you can’t just remove his name to avoid a copyright infringement. His estate actively owns that quote, it is copyrighted you are still in violation of it (and also plagerism now since you deleted just his name). In order to not be you must remove the entire quote.

A person is a person no matter how small
BUT A FETUS IS A FETUS AND NOT A PERSON AT ALL

Really? What is it, an alien? How can it be anything but human if it comes from two humans?
And I find it interesting that you say that, considering you were a fetus once in the exact same way that you were a baby, child, or teen. So was I. It’s a stage of life. If fetuses aren’t people, than what are we, exactly? How can humans like us just become humans from something that is, as you say, not a person?

human yes, person no. Personhood is a status we grant a human once they are no longer inhabitting another’s body, and what happens to them can actually be their business and not directly effect the human they are using to survive.

and no matter how human, and whether granted personhood or not, no human has the right to use another human’s body in any way without consent.

ps: do not use dr. Seuss to further your cause it is highly disrespectful when we all know he was pro choice.

Yeah, I’m not discussing the Dr Seuss thing yet again. He’s removed from the original post, but his words still stand because they still fit with this context.
I don’t care what your personal definition of “person” is, because most of the world recognizes all human beings as “people.” You’re saying right now that not all human beings are really people. Gee, I wonder where I’ve heard that before….

Using a person’s body without consent? Dude, it’s not like the child asked for it!! All the fetus is doing is trying to grow and live. Honestly, if a person doesn’t want a child, they shouldn’t have sex. It’s like planting a seed and getting mad when a tree grows. Period.

umm.. Removing credit from someone’s quote doesnt make it okay to still use their words.. Maybe you haven’t learned this in school yet but that is in fact called PLAGIARISM, and is ILLEGAL. It is still the author’s words, and a misuse of the author’s intent, and hugely disrespectful when you are aware of that said intent.

the definition of person is not a personal opinion. It is the lawful truth of what a person is.

per·son

noun

1. a human being regarded as an individual.

- a fetus literally inhabits a second, pre-existing human’s body, and cannot be deemed individual until it has bodily autonomy of its own.

2. Sociology. an individual human being, especially with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.

3. Philosophy. a self-conscious or rational being.

- a fetus, being undeveloped and lacking the autonomy of a born person, has none of these things: incapable of self consciousness or rational thought, has no social relationships or standing, has no behavioural patterns that can be influenced by its culture.

i feel many of your other thoughts will change with the understanding of relationships which time will inevitably bring to you.

human beings are not like most animals: unlike most animals, we are capable of feeling pleasure during intercourse. For this, and other reasons, we have evolved into using sex for more things then just procreaction. Sex is used for pleasure, for stress relief, to build intimacy. For many, sex is an essential part of their romantic or personal relationships. Being denied sexual release is often a cause of stress, even depression in many people - i am not talking socially, but on a biological level.

i like your planting a seed analogy, because it really is more like accidentally spilling your bag of seeds in the wrong area, cursing, trying to clean them up, and discovering later that you didnt get them all. But in an organized garden there are plants that will strangle and kill your other plants, so you can’t keep them side by side. Regardless of whether they are trying to grow or not, regardless of whether you do LIKE that kind of plant, they still need to be removed from there.

the fetus may not have asked to be there, but neither did we ask for it to arrive. Accidents happen and birth control fails, that should not mean our entire lives should be torn into pieces because of it. The fetus is not “trying” to do anything, it has no capability to try. It merely is growing in there, because that is what it does. And we can remove it and will not have any opinion on the matter.

  • White male massacres elementary school.

  • Right Wing Conservatives:

    WHAT A TroublED BOY!! PROtect OUR GUNS!

  • Unarmed black teen is shot to death by police.

  • RWC:

    he waS A THUG!!! PRotECT OUR POLICE!

  • Woman is raped and aborts the fetus produced as a result of the violent crime.

  • RWC:

    MURDERER! DiRTY SLut MURDERERERERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

queenc92:

"I’m all for a women’s right to choose. I just don’t think they should choose abortion."

Translation: “I’m all for a women’s right to choose as long as I get to make their choice for them. See?!?! I said choice! Look how not misogynistic I am!! Yay for me! I love me.”

warblebee:

Hey, pro-choicers. Let’s stop acting like “pro-abortion” is a bad thing to be.

I am pro-abortion, pro-adoption, pro-parenthood. When science comes up with another way for pregnant people to manage their pregnancies, I’ll be pro- that, too.

Don’t let assholes goad you into furthering abortion stigma.